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LDS Prophets, Apostles and Leaders said what?

To Young Men Only
by
Boyd K. Packer
General Conference Priesthood Session, October 2, 1976

“I wish to explain something that will help you understand your young manhood and help you develop self-control. When this power begins to form, it might be likened to having a little factory in your body, one designed to produce the product that can generate life.

This little factory moves quietly into operation as a normal and expected pattern of growth and begins to produce the lifegiving substance. It will do so perhaps as long as you live. It works very slowly. That is the way it should be. For the most part, unless you tamper with it, you will hardly be aware that it is working at all.

As you move closer to manhood, this little factory will sometimes produce an oversupply of this substance. The Lord has provided a way for that to be released. It will happen without any help or without any resistance from you. Perhaps, one night you will have a dream. In the course of it the release valve that controls the factory will open and release all that is excess.

The factory and automatic release work on their own schedule. The Lord intended it to be that way. It is to regulate itself. This will not happen very often. You may go a longer period of time, and there will be no need for this to occur. When it does, you should not feel guilty. It is the nature of young manhood and is part of becoming a man.

There is; however, something you should not do. Sometimes a young man does not understand. Perhaps he is encouraged by unwise or unworthy companions to tamper with that factory. He might fondle himself and open that release valve. This you shouldn’t do, for if you do that, the little factory will speed up. You will then be tempted again and again to release it. You can quickly be subjected to a habit, one that is not worthy, one that will leave you feeling depressed and feeling guilty. Resist that temptation. Do not be guilty of tampering or playing with this sacred power of creation. Keep it in reserve for the time when it can be righteously employed. ”

Study: Masturbation May Prevent Prostate Cancer

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352278,00.html

Bishop Vaughn J. Featherstone

Second Counselor in the Presiding Bishopric

May Ensign 1975 page 66 (Conference report)

“Another problem: an overweight girl from Ogden went to see her bishop. In the purity and goodness of charity, trying to help the girl, he counseled her that it might be a good idea to lose a few pounds. Pitifully heartbroken, she went home and told her father. It had cankered her soul. The father, of course, negative toward the Church all of his life, waiting for something like this, sprung like a cat on the bishop’s back, and they came down to see me and wanted their memberships transferred out of the bishop’s ward. I asked them why, because I didn’t know all this background, and they said, “Well, our bishop suggested to our daughter that she might lose a few pounds and make herself a little more attractive.” Now I want you to know that I defended that great bishop. I said to this family, “You are wrong. That sweet bishop, out of purity and love for your daughter, felt and did that which he was impressed to do. I am sure it was a message from God to your daughter, and she let it canker her soul. The strange thing is that she was probably up in her bedroom the night before praying, ‘Heavenly Father, I am lonely. I need someone. Please help me. Help me to find someone so I won’t be so lonely.’ ” And yet oftentimes we are offended because a sweet bishop gives us some instruction which is hard for us to live.”

Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, edited by Edward L. Kimball, p.282

“What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex-and thence into total homosexuality.”

(Is this statement supported by any data whatsoever? )

Discourse By President Brigham Young

Journal of Discourses, 26 vols., 10:, p.250

“What is the cause of all this waste of life and treasure? To tell it in a plain, truthful way, one portion of the country wish to raise their negroes or black slaves, and the other portion wish to free them, and, apparently, to almost worship them. Well, raise and worship them, who cares? I should never fight one moment about it, for the cause of human improvement is not in the least advanced by the dreadful war which now convulses our unhappy country.    

Ham will continue to be the servant of servants, as the Lord has decreed, until the curse is removed. Will the present struggle free the slave? No; but they are now wasting away the black race by thousands. Many of the blacks are treated worse than we treat our dumb brutes; and men will be called to judgment for the way they have treated the negro, and they will receive the condemnation of a guilty conscience, by the just Judge whose attributes are justice and truth.    

Treat the slaves kindly and let them live, for Ham must be the servant of servants until the curse is removed. Can you destroy the decrees of the Almighty? You cannot. Yet our Christian brethren think that they are going to overthrow the sentence of the Almighty upon the seed of Ham. They cannot do that, though they may kill them by thousands and tens of thousands. ”   

Quote of the week March 15, 2008

By Brigham Young

Journal of Discourses, 26 vols., 10:, p.303 – 304

The Puritans supposed they were sent of God, and hated the Quakers and persecuted them even unto death. Did the Lord notice that conduct in any signal manner? No. But suppose the Quakers had been the Saints of the Lord, and that He had said to William Penn and others, “You are my authorized agents to build up my kingdom on the earth,” would the Lord have held the Puritans guiltless for the persecution of his chosen people? He would not, but would in a signal manner have called their persecutors to an account. But the Puritans were not sent of the Lord, neither were the Quakers.    

Quote of the week March 8, 2008

By Elder Marion G. Romney

Conference Report, April 1953, Afternoon Meeting, p.124

“Adam was the son of God. He was our elder brother, not older than Jesus but he was our brother in the same sense that Jesus was our brother, and he “fell” to earth life. He did not come up through an unbroken line of organic evolution. There had to be a fall. “Adam fell that men might be.”

Quote of the Week March 2nd 2008

BY: Elder Delbert L. Stapley,

What Constitutes the True Church, Ensign (CR), May 1977, p.21

“We know that all truth does emanate from God and is therefore unchangeable, consistent, and unified. Consequently, not all Christian churches with their dissimilar teachings can provide a fulness of truth. My intent is to assert with testimony and persuasion of scripture the reasons there can be only one Lord, one acceptable faith, one baptism, and one true church. Then if any of you are convinced you are mistaken in your present beliefs, you should have the courage to investigate and the faith to change and follow the true path Christ has outlined that assures one’s eternal happiness.”

Quote of the week Feb 22, 2008

By President Heber C. Kimball, made at the Bowery, Great Salt Lake City, July 12, 1857.    

Journal of Discourses, vol. 5: p.27 – 28

Here in Great Salt Lake City is the seat of government for the Church and Kingdom of God, pertaining to every person that has ever come into a probation on this earth, whether they are now in tabernacles upon this earth, or whether they are in the spirit world, or in hell. This is the place of deposit of all those keys pertaining to the salvation of the human family; and there never will one soul of those spirits now in prison come out of that place, except the keys of the kingdom of God that are now held in Great Salt Lake City open the door and let them out. They may peep and mutter, and may have revelations until doomsday, and may declare to all eternity that Joseph Smith is a false prophet, and that brother Brigham is a false prophet, and that this Church is false, and they will still remain in hell until we let them out.  Brother Brigham Young holds those keys; and brother Heber C. Kimball, and Daniel H. Wells, and others, hold those keys in connection with brother Brigham; and not one soul of you has any keys or power of salvation only what is in us; and that is one thing for you to learn. Those keys and powers were on Joseph Smith when he was in the flesh; and before he departed, he laid his hands on brother Brigham, and brother Heber, and others, and conferred the keys of salvation upon them; and we are here, in the last dispensation of the kingdom of God that pertains to every man and woman on earth, in hell, and in the spirit world; and the redemption of not one individual soul will be obtained upon any other principle.

Quote of the Week February 10, 2008

By Brigham Young

Journal of Discourses, vol, 4:, p.220

“I have known a great many men who have left this Church for whom there is no chance whatever for exaltation, but if their blood had been spilled, it would have been better for them. The wickedness and ignorance of the nations forbid this principle’s being in full force, but the time will come when the law of God will be in full force. This is loving our neighbour as ourselves; if he needs help, help him; and if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the earth in order that he may be saved, spill it.”

Quote of the Week February 1, 2008

By Elder C. W. Stayner

Delivered in the Tabernacle, Salt Lake City, Sunday Afternoon May 25th, 1879. Journal of Discourses Volume 20:, p.211

“God revealed to him (Joseph Smith) not only the fact of Divine existence, but even how he became God; that it was through living up to correct principles, and by developing within himself every sublime sentiment that had its origin in truth. He taught him how the people “who dwelt on the earth” might also be thus exalted to be angels of God, and finally Gods themselves”

Quote of the Week January 20, 2008

By: The Prophet Joseph Smith  (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46.)”

“It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another. . . . You have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be  kings  and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another. . . .”

Quote of the week January 13, 2008

By:  Hyrum L. Andrus, Doctrinal Commentary on the Pearl of Great Price, p.406 – 407  (1998)

“The position of the Church regarding the Negro may be understood when another doctrine of the Church is kept in mind; namely, that the conduct of spirits in the pre-mortal existence has some determining effect upon the conditions and circumstances under which these spirits take on mortality, and that while the details of the principle have not been made known, the principle itself indicates that the coming to this earth and taking on mortality is a privilege that is given to those who maintain their first estate; and that the worth of the principle is so great that spirits are willing to come to earth and take on bodies no matter what the handicap may be as to the kind of bodies they are to secure; and that among the handicaps, failure of the right to enjoy in mortality the blessings of the priesthood, is a handicap which spirits are willing to assume in order that they might come to earth. Under this principle there is no injustice whatsoever involved in this deprivation as to the holding of the Priesthood by Negroes.”

My inspiration to post this quote came from the comments made by Pamela on my England Coventry Mission page – we certainly do not feel she has a less valiant spirit just because of her skin colour!”

 Quote of the Week Jan 7th 2008

Brought to you by: Elder Ezra Taft Benson, Conference Report, April 1969, First Day-Morning Meeting, p.11

“Not only are there apostates within our midst, but there are also apostate doctrines that are sometimes taught in our classes and from our pulpits and that appear in our publications. And these apostate precepts of men cause our people to stumble.”

“The world teaches birth control. Tragically, many of our sisters subscribe to its pills and practices when they could easily provide earthly tabernacles for more of our Father’s children. We know that every spirit assigned to this earth will come, whether through us or someone else There are couples in the Church who think they are getting along just fine with their limited families but who will someday suffer the pains of remorse when they meet the spirits that might have been part of their posterity. The first commandment given to man was to multiply and replenish the earth with children. That commandment has never been altered, modified, or canceled. The Lord did not say to multiply and replenish the earth if it is convenient, or if you are wealthy, or after you have gotten your schooling, or when there is peace on earth, or until you have four children.”

Jan Week 1

Rodney Turner, Woman and the Priesthood, p.261

Love has its own instinct. Not even a puppy has to be taught how to express it. Wives who feel that they must learn certain “techniques” before they can effectively relate to their husbands apparently do not realize how close to the spirit of harlotry they have moved. Famous courtesans were skilled in the nuances of sexual love, yet they knew little or nothing of love itself. A wife who must be instructed in the “proper technique” for speaking, responding, reacting and otherwise relating to her husband is a pathetic caricature of a woman in love. If her husband is beguiled by such behavior, he is either very naive, very self-centered or very stupid . . . probably all three.

HAPPY NEW YEAR! 

I have been busy skiing, sorry for not having a new quote.  I am thinking that in 2008 I will change this to LDS quote of the week. 

Friday December 28, 2007

Today’s quote by: Elder Dallin H. Oaks, Pornography, Ensign (CR), April 2005

And young women, please understand that if you dress immodestly, you are magnifying this problem by becoming pornography to some of the men who see you.

Thursday December 27, 2007

Today’s quote is by: Elder Spencer W. Kimball, Conference Report, April 1965, Afternoon Meeting, p.63

A woman would have no fears of being imposed upon nor of any dictatorial measures nor of any improper demands if the husband is self-sacrificing and worthy. Certainly no sane woman would hesitate to give submission to her own really righteous husband in everything. We are sometimes shocked to see the wife take over the leadership, naming the one to pray, the place to be, the things to do.

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46 Responses to “LDS Prophets, Apostles and Leaders said what?”

  1. coventryrm said

    This is the type of statement that is easy to just blow off or dismiss when said by BY or in the 1800’s but this was said in 1965. Now who is the one that gets to judge if this guy is “really righteous”

    So basically in a perfect righteous world you women just get to follow and do as your righteous husband directs.

  2. Typical Priesthood arrogance .It never changes they still believe that now , though they may not declare it as openly.

    Here is some sheer arrogance in this tract.Even my TBM friend thought it was fake because it was so arrogant.

    PROCLAMATION OF THE TWELVE APOSTLES OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS
    CHRIST, OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

    To all the King’s of the World;
    To the President of the United States of America;
    To the Governors of the several States;
    And to the Rulers and People of all Nations:

    http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/proclamationoftwelve.htm

  3. coventryrm said

    Yeah, Dallin your inpure thoughts are the girls fault for looking so hot!

  4. I found that my mind was straying in sacrament because women are nice to look at.It wasn’t pornography,it was just natural straying thoughts.( I’m not married )
    If the meetings/talks were more interesting I might have been able to focus more on Virtue.

    If Joseph Smith was alive I can see which ones he would have approached with his ‘new’ everlasting covenant whether they were married or not.Even the Bishop seemed to be mentally picking out his potential harem of wives. lol

  5. coventryrm said

    I just think fighting against what is such a natural thing just makes people more uptight and out of control, I can look at a woman clothed or naked and have a natural thought response understand it as such and it doesn’t cause me much trouble, I love my wife I am committed to her and understand that to act on or dwell on such thoughts would make my life less than it is, end of story, I don’t have to feel guilty beat myself up or feel bad in anyway, I am a male and it is my natural nature to sexually desire a female I find physically attractive. I certainly don’t think that she is doing something pornographic and wrong blame her. Isn’t that the root cause for some sex crimes or rationalization for date rape? Dallin’s message isn’t to far removed from “she is asking for it”

  6. Queen Bee said

    My ultra-Mormon ex-father-in-law sat my son down in his study while he was dating the woman who is now his wife and told my son that he needed to talk to this woman about the way she dressed and ask her not to wear such form-fitting tops due to her, um, uh, well, build. Dirty old man! People like Oaks make statements like this because THEY can’t control their thoughts. In psychology there is a defense mechanism called projection where folks project their own faults onto others. Pornography? That women become pornography? Gee, I wonder who DH has been wanking off to lately?

  7. Queen Bee said

    oops…meant DO as in Dallin Oaks…sorry.

  8. coventryrm said

    My point exactly but wasn’t quite as blunt 🙂 I almost told an identical story to illustrate my point as well and am so glad that you did.

  9. coventryrm said

    I have just been reading through all the conference talks about pornography, is it really as addictive as they say? If there wasn’t guilt behind it would it be so addictive? Is it really has harmful as drugs etc?

  10. Queen Bee said

    I bet this quote was in response to that book “Fascinating Woman.” Kind of like a Rules for Mormon women. There was a “Fascinating Girl,” as well. My aunt bought me a copy when I was a teen.

  11. coventryrm said

    I just thought it interesting that, some how some way instinctively like a dog we are suppose to know how to interact sexually with our partner in marriage even though sex is strictly taboo before marriage and a woman that wants to learn and be a better sexual partner for her husband is basically called a whore and the Husband is just plain stupid.

  12. SkiUtah said

    My wife knows I like to admire features of a woman’s anatomy. She occasionally buys me a Playboy magazine. I don’t think there is anything hurtful or addictive about it…

  13. coventryrm said

    Well I would say then that you are all three “naive, very self-centered or very stupid ” of course that is just Rodney Turner speaking.

  14. skiutah said

    🙂

  15. One thing about Mormon Prophets and Apostles teachings is that future members end up Ignoring them and then having the embarrassing task of excusing away their utter nonsenes.

  16. skiutah said

    Yeah, like Joseph Smith’s multiple young teenager wives, the American Indians aren’t the Lamanites, the earth is only 6000 years old, if evolution is true the church is false, Adam had multiple wives and is from another planet, Christ and Satan are brothers, humanity originated in Missouri, inter-racial marriages should be punished by death, the moon and sun are inhabited, God physically impregnated Mary, only polygamists get to the highest kingdom of heaven, polygamy is a solution for prostitution, and on and on…

  17. The quote By: Hyrum L. Andrus, Doctrinal Commentary on the Pearl of Great Price, p.406 – 407 (1998) concerning the supposed handicap Not having Priesthood) we take on in our mortality as having been agreed by us is perhaps easy to say for someone born without them. ie a White American Mormon Man.

    I’m shocked at the arrogance of these self assuming, self righteous LDS Leaders.It seems that little really changes about the Church’s whole attitude about itself.

    So he is saying that The Black Body is a way to identify those who agreed to give away the right to priesthood in return for Mortality ? seemingly as a result of some transgression ( less valiancy)in the pre earth life.

    If failure to participate in the Priesthood is an agreed handicap,then why change the rules anyway in 1978.Why not just canonise the fact that a deal is a deal .

    Good quote , I actually thought the church had been trying to distance itself from the Less Valiancy teaching.This could be just his ‘opinion’ though if the church needs to move away from it depending on popular opinion at the time .

    Who wants this Priesthood anyway .It never seems to work .When I’ve asked for a Ressurrection for my Father from Priesthood leaders , they are very swift and confident to tell me its not possible.How do they know if they haven’t even tried .Talk about having little faith ! 🙂

  18. This teaching of Joseph Smith is part of the teaching that God was once a man ..

    “You have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another. . . .”

    I have been discussing with Mormons various teachings of the past and if they don’t like the teaching they are quick to affirm that they only believe whats in the ‘Standard Works’ , everything else is ‘opinion’ or even ‘Mormon Folklore’ .

    So naturally I asked where is it in the Standard works that God was once a man ? No Answer as yet .

  19. skiutah said

    I believe this teaching can be categorized as “Mormon Folklore” and not canon. One can only find it in various references such as:

    “We believe also that as man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be.” (Lorenzo Snow, 11 January 1892, reprinted in Latter-day Prophets Speak)

    Therefore this teaching can be dismissed by church members, since it doesn’t appear in the standard works anywhere.

    What criteria should LDS church members use for determining whether or not to believe a former prophet’s teachings are true or not?

  20. coventryrm said

    What brought me to post this quote is that you can find that JS taught this regularly, the only reason it is not doctrine now is that the Church stopped teaching it outright or emphazing it. In JS time it was taught just as suretly as the First Vision.

  21. SkiUtah said

    Does anybody know where the concept of “families are forever” is documented in the standard works? Or is this LDS folklore?

  22. coventryrm said

    Good point as all my discussion with LDS on blogs it seems that the only Doctrine is the First Vision and then the standard works as a result, and then even those are open to personal interpretation or some parts not to be actually taken literally. The interesting thing is that for a church of people that claim so much free thinking or claims of personal opinion you can be excommunicated for openly talking or disagreeing with a current “none doctrine teaching of a GA” even though later down the road the next Prophet may actually teach or stop teaching the thing that got you ex’d.

    I also find it amazing that the Church publishes and approves of publications with such titles as “Mormon Doctrine”, “Doctrines of salvation”, or even “Doctrinal Commentary on the Pearl of Great Price” but yet say what is contained is not doctrine? Why not call them “Mormon Folklore” or “Some potential thoughts or ideas on salvation” or just “Some guys opinion and commentary on the Pearl of Great price”?

  23. SkiUtah said

    One LDS teaching is that one big reason for coming to planet Earth is to have free agency, ironically the LDS leaders discourage members from doing thoughtful research, asking tough questions, and thinking logically.

    All of which are the basis for making good choices. If you do exercise your free agency and research historical church documents, ask questions about the past, and conclude that you disagree with current LDS church leaders, you get excommunicated…

  24. Queen Bee said

    Classic double-bind. Search, ponder, and pray but if you are doing it right you’ll come up with the same answers that we did.

  25. coventryrm said

    Queen Bee interesting coversation on Mormons Rock, we got off topic and I keep being told over there that Church is least restrictive of Christian Churches because they allow for free thinking. I used Margaret as an example, that is why I posted the link to her story on my blogroll, you should check out the thread on http://www.mormonsrock.wordpress.com

  26. Queen Bee said

    But clearly, they have drunk of the Kool-Aid.

  27. SkiUtah said

    From Associated Press: “Hinckley worked to show that his faith was far removed from its peculiar and polygamous roots.”

    When Hinckley was asked about polygamy by Larry King: “I condemn it, yes, as a practice, because I think it is not doctrinal.”

    Here’s a quote from Brigham Young in the JD 11:268
    “The only men who become Gods … are those who enter into polygamy. Others attain unto a glory and may even be permitted to come into the presence of the Father and the Son; but they cannot reign as kings in glory.”

    I can just imagine these prophets in heaven right now:

    Brigham: “You can’t come in, you said polygamy was not doctrinal.”

    Joseph: “yeah, and I revealed in the D&C 132 that God says polygamy was doctrinal.”

    Gordon: “I was a prophet after both of you guys, therefore anything I say trumps anything you anachronisms ever said.”

  28. Queen Bee said

    And pretty soon GBH’s words will fade into history…and we’ll be hearing the the saccharine sounds of silliness.

  29. SkiUtah said

    Yes, it seems silly and preposterous how some defend idiosyncrasies of LDS church history.

    It reminds me of my teenage daughter. She has a tendency to lie. When confronted with a lie, she will spin her story with something that sounds like a reasonable explanation. In her mind, it makes sense. She’ll back herself into a corner and won’t respond to evidence and logic.

    And to the adults in the room, her stories are outlandish and obvious mistruths…

  30. coventryrm said

    Now we have it, it was revealed by God to JS that God was not always God and that we can become God’s.

    Either it is that way or it isn’t, this is not something that can change can it? So revelations concerning the Nature of God can be trumped or changed?

  31. Queen Bee said

    Not only that but it appears that Joseph Smith didn’t really speak to God OR Romney isn’t really a Mormon.

  32. SkiUtah said

    Yikes, Mitt says that God hasn’t talked to a prophet since Moses.

    The Mormons remind of the “Emperor’s New Clothes” story. The members constantly reassure each other over and over again how true it must be. One tweak to the LDS version of the story, the member who notices that these prophets aren’t talking to God, and says so, gets excommunicated.

    Mitt doesn’t have to worry though, because he pays a pile of money to the emperors in tithing every year…

  33. coventryrm said

    Here are some LDS views on the Romney interview

    “I think it was a brilliantly worded and perfectly accurate dodge. He said two things in the actual interview; only the first part was quoted in the video you linked. He said:

    1) **I** (meaning Romney) don’t **know** (NOT believe) that God has spoken **with** (NOT to) anyone since Moses. (Obviously, he is NOT referring to Jesus, but rather God, the Father. In the First Vision, there is no indication whatsoever that God, the Father, spoke WITH Joseph Smith – and I can’t think of any instance in the record where JS claimed to have spoken WITH the Father. Even if there is, Romney might not know of it either.)

    This answer makes it a matter of **personal knowledge** – not belief or faith or conviction. It also doesn’t address prophecy and prophetic revelation, since it only addresses God speaking WITH prophets and leaves open any other manner of receiving revelation. (like visions, impressions, feelings of the Spirit, hearing a voice but not having God appear and converse about it, etc.)

    2) He then added a disclaimer that isn’t getting quoted much. He said that he believes God spoke **to** Moses – “and a few others since then”. The interviewer did not follow up on that comment, and it’s not getting play – since excerpting only the first part and not analyzing it carefully makes for more controversy than looking at the entire interview.”

    or

    This is not new. It happened some time ago, and FWIW, I don’t think Romney was being that cagey when he made this comment, Ray. He wasn’t making some Clintonian distinction between “to” and “with.” That would be silly.

    From his demeanor, it seems obvious that he’s just trying to project a “normal” image to the interviewer, and by extension, the voting public. Romney carefully avoids talking about the specifics of his faith in public, especially during the campaign, because, to the uninitiated, someone who says he believes God talked to a 14 yr old boy in a grove of trees sounds crazy. It sounds less crazy to say God talked to Moses, because everyone has seen that movie.

    The way this interview is being portrayed in the media is just plain dishonest. Trying to make Romney out to be some kind of a closet heretic or jack-mormon is a flat lie. He’s being pilloried in many areas of the country for his beliefs, and he has refused to renounce them many times, and now they’re saying he doesn’t believe in the first vision? What a bunch of sleazy scum-sucking hypocrites.

  34. SkiUtah said

    The one guy has a good point, it would be crazy for Mitt to go into any details about various LDS teachings. For example, here are some fascinating topics the prophets have spoken about in conference talks and other LDS church publications:

    – When LDS leaders speak from the pulpit it is the same as God speaking
    – Africans are supposed to be slaves and servants
    – All native American Indians came from Israel
    – Evolution never occurred
    – Adam is from another planet and a polygamist
    – Jesus and Satan are brothers
    – Native Americans’ skin will turn white if they join LDS church
    – Murderers must be killed before getting into heaven
    – Jesus advocated polygamy
    – The earth is 6000 years old
    – The human race started in Missouri
    – God was once a man
    – Women can’t think or lead
    – Polygamy is a good solution for prostitution
    – People live on the moon and sun
    – God legalized polygamy
    – and so on…

  35. coventryrm said

    Maybe the fact that the Church taught that it was JS and BY and other Church leaders that would actually judge and decide who in this last dispensation would go to hell or not could be a reason other Christians don’t consider LDS as such.

  36. SkiUtah said

    An interesting article:

    http://people.howstuffworks.com/police-interrogation3.htm

    Talks about “common psychological phenomenon — people often filter out any evidence that does not fit with their already-formed viewpoint.”

    That probably goes for all people, they’ll believe what they already believe in, regardless of evidence to the contrary…

  37. SkiUtah said

    Found this quote by BY in the journal of discourses:

    “Religions are like lampshades. They may look different, they may be different colors or sit in different rooms, but they all have the light of God inside of them.” *

    * just kidding

  38. Bishop Vaughn J. Featherstone was only giving inspired council to the ‘overweight’ girl.

    Had she lived in Brigham Young’s day then she may have gone hungry and destitute not being attractive enough to be asked into polygamy ( and looked after) by one of those ever so righteous Leaders.

    Maybe she wouldn’t have been young enough either ? The Mormon Leaders liked them young… very young.What would the Bishop have counciled for that ? a face lift and breast implant ?

  39. SkiUtah said

    The LDS church leaders have taught that polygamy was a solution for keeping women from becoming destitue and turning to prostitution.

    Here’s a nice note in Sermons and Writings of the Prophet Joseph, Vol. III, No. 7. section IV:

    “…both advocate a plurality of wives, that such a system has really no objectionable features, and that by absorbing all the female population into the married state, it effectually kills prostitution by depriving it of every material.”

  40. Packer talks crap
    quote :
    “Perhaps he is encouraged by unwise or unworthy companions to tamper with that factory. He might fondle himself and open that release valve. This you shouldn’t do, for if you do that, the little factory will speed up.”

    Who the hell he is talking about here .I wasn’t encouraged to tamper with the factory by anyone and how does Packer know that by opening the release valve the little factory will speed up !

    Does he know from experience himself ?

    and why is this inspired council not available on lds.org ?

  41. Just seen Spencer Kimballs words of wisdom warning that initial private masturbation leads to ‘group’ masturabation with another of the same sex ?

    hahahhahahahhahahahhahha

    and then Homosexuality !?!?!? hahahhahahhahahah

  42. SkiUtah said

    I’m suing the church if I get prostate cancer…

  43. coventryrm said

    Ski Utah

    I think you might have case

    http://health.utah.gov/ucan/partners/pub/pdfs/prostate_cancer_proceedings.pdf

  44. SkiUtah said

    Here’s a quote by Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness , p. 77

    “For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality.”

    So does that mean most males evolve to become gay?

  45. Many people think they know what the LDS Church teaches by taking an odd item here and another from there. But does the church really teach that stuff? Is it really doctrine or just the opinion of some long dead guy? Is it doctrine? I have posted on my blog what the dean of BYU Religious Education said to the BYU religion professors in 2003 about the hard questions Mormons were faced with answering. http://mormonthing.wordpress.com.

  46. SkiUtah said

    The LDS church has stated that the Journal of Discourses is not official scripture, and contains errors. I can see why they would say this. For example, this LDS apostle stated that they will kill adulterers:

    George Q. Canon, Journal of Discourses, vol. 14, p. 58

    “We are solving the problem that is before the world to-day, over which they are pretending to rack their brains. I mean the “Social Problem.” We close the door on one side, and say that whoredoms, seductions and adulteries must not be committed amongst us, and we say to those who are determined to carry on such things we will kill you; at the same time we open the door in the other direction and make plural marriage honorable.”

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