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Where are the Three Nephites?

Posted by skiutah on Wednesday, March 26, 2008

What happened to the three Nephites? Do the LDS church leaders still talk about them? Or in an attempt to become a more mainstream religion, have the three Nephites slowly disappeared from Mormon folklore?

The prophet Spencer W. Kimball talked about the three Nephites in a 1960 October Conference Report: “The Indians have legends which might be reminiscent of the three Nephites… They are beginning to recognize the similarity between their distorted tradition stories and the truth…”

Too bad the three Nephites are not related to the Indians though (at least not through DNA).

Why don’t we hear more about these legendary 2000+ year old guys, bringing Jesus to all nations, tongues, and people? 

Latest update: Have Provo, Utah police unknowningly arrested one of the three Nephites? Here’s the news article: One of 3 Nephites Arrested by Provo Police

He’s old, he’s not in any US government databases, well spoken, educated, and polite. This really could be one of the three Nephites.

Three Nephites

Actual Photo of Three Nephites

Three Nephites Protect Mitt Romney

The Three Nephites Protect Mitt Romney

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Oldest known human fossil found in Europe

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Evolution and the Mormon Story

Posted by coventryrm on Monday, March 17, 2008

 If you believe that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old and take the Biblical accounts of the Creation and Flood literally this post is not for you.

This post is for the LDS people that think they can reconcile what we know about the age of the earth and evolution and have come up with some sort of rationale of how that can still be consistent with the Doctrines and Truthfulness of the Mormon Church.  I do not believe that is possible, Mormon doctrine is in direct conflict with the truths that science and evolution teach us. 

Age of the Earth:  It is accepted that Earth is approx 4.5 billion years old, you can perhaps argue a few million years one way or the other, but the bottom line is that it is without a doubt and provable that the idea that the earth is any where near 10,000 years old is completely ludicrous.  What does Mormon “Doctrine” say?   

Abr 3:4

 4 And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.

Either the Pearl of Great price is wrong or the Earth is close to 10,000 years old and what science tells us is wrong, which is it? 

In the 1968 October General Conference talk titled “The Destiny of America” President Elder R Dyer did a great job of summarizing Mormon doctrine and the Mormon story regarding the significance and meaning of the historical events that surround the North American Continent.  All the doctrine mentioned below can be easily found in countless LDS teachings and doctrine and not just in Elders Dyer talk, I use his talk as an example simply because it includes all these teaching and doctrines.    

A: The Garden of Eden and the origin of Man began in the Missouri area.  

B: All Biblical Characters until the time of Noah and the Flood lived in this same area of Missouri.

C: Based on B you then have to believe in a literal and global flood. (Unless you use the rationale that the flood happened at the same time the continents divided and therefore could have been more regional but then you have to believe in D)  

D: The time of Peleg and the dividing of the continents happened less than 4500 years ago.

I would submit that we do have enough scientific fact and data to disprove all of the above.  I have often wondered why people of intelligence within the Mormon Church require so much evidence and then still dismiss the mountains of it that can be placed in front of them or just flat out refuse to examine or look at it.  Why should so much be required it seems pretty simple,  people say you can not prove Joseph Smith was a false prophet.  Joseph Smith claims to have received revelation from God telling him that in fact all the above took place within the North American Continent.  What more should one really need, either He was a Prophet and God revealed truth to him or he didn’t.  Either the Book Of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price are what they say they are and should contain verifiable truths or they are works of fiction. 

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LDS Missionaries Photographed ‘Mocking’ Catholic Church

Posted by coventryrm on Monday, March 10, 2008


I post this as I find it interesting that the Church is mainly apologizing for “damage to property” in this article.  I can tell you from my experience as a missionary in England where there was plenty of Church of England and Catholic landmarks that it was more common for missionaries to make fun of and mock than to visit with reverence and appreciation.  You mainly have 19 to 21 year old boys  forming basically a fraternity based on the thought that they are fighting a war against evil and Satan to save souls by bringing them into the LDS faith.  I know the Church will most likely take the position that this is the exception and not the rule, I would be willing to wager that if you were to go through most missionaries photo journals finding pictures like these would be a regular occurrence.

This is at a ZONE conference – I would say mocking other religions is the norm not the exception!

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