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Why You Can’t Debate Creationists

Posted by skiutah on Tuesday, April 22, 2014

Here’s an interesting story about a guy trying to debate evolution versus intelligent design:
My debate with an intelligent design theorist

People will believe what they believe provides them an answer they can understand.

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When is homicide justifiable?

Posted by skiutah on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Justifiable homocide

Justifiable homocide2

Justifiable homocide3

 

View that killing is sometimes justifiable

View that killing a person is never okay

War.

Justifiable homicide

Murder

Self-defense in home.

Justifiable homicide

Murder

Self-defense stand your ground when you feel threatened.

Justifiable homicide (depends on your state/country)

Murder

Death penalty.

Justifiable homicide (depends on your state/country)

Murder

Bar fight, somebody dies.

Justifiable homicide

Murder/manslaughter

Distracted while driving, accident occurs, somebody dies.

Justifiable homicide (it was an accident)

Murder/manslaughter

Hunting accident.

Justifiable homicide (it was an accident)

Murder/manslaughter

Parents deny child medical attention because it violates religious
beliefs; child dies.

Justifiable homicide

Murder

Abused spouse snaps, kills abusive spouse.

Justifiable homicide

Murder/manslaughter

Assisted suicide: terminally ill person wants life ended humanely
without pain.

Justifiable homicide (depends on your state/country)

Murder

Suicide.

Justifiable homicide (of oneself)

Murder

Pull plug on brain dead relative when they could be kept alive for
years.

Justifiable homicide

Murder

Police kill a dangerous criminal committing a crime.

Justifiable homicide

Murder

God says it’s okay to kill (God tells Nephi to kill Laban, God
tells terrorists to kill, and so on).

Justifiable homicide

Murder

Surgeon terminates life of one conjoined twin in order to save the
life of other twin.

Justifiable homicide

Murder

Woman chooses to have a late term abortion.

Justifiable homicide

Murder

Woman chooses to have an early term abortion.

Justifiable homicide

Murder

Abortion where mother’s life in danger.

Justifiable homicide

Murder

Abortion of pregnancy from rape.

Justifiable homicide

Murder

Abortion of pregnancy from incest.

Justifiable homicide

Murder

God says it’s okay to kill abortion doctor.

Justifiable homicide

Murder

Extra IVF embryos destroyed/never used.

Justifiable homicide

Murder

RU-486 pill.

Justifiable homicide

Murder (blocks hormone required to maintain early pregnancy)

Morning after pill.

Justifiable homicide

Murder (possibly prevents implantation of fertilized egg)

Birth control (estrogen/progestin).

Justifiable homicide

Murder (possibly prevents implantation of fertilized egg)

Spermicide, Sponge, Condom, IUD.

Justifiable homicide

Murder (preventing sperm from creating life)

Sterilization/vasectomy.

Justifiable homicide

Murder (preventing possible future lives)

Male masturbation.

Justifiable homicide

Murder (“tossing out” good sperm that could be used to create life)

 

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Where did God come from?

Posted by skiutah on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

God magically created itself...

References:
Who created God?
Where did God come from?

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If I get prostrate cancer should I be able to sue the LDS church?

Posted by coventryrm on Thursday, May 19, 2011

Recent studies have clearly shown that men who drink coffee have much lower incident of prostrate cancer, being raised Mormon I didn’t start drinking coffee until I left the faith at age 35.   It is also known that having  a regular ejaculation is also beneficial in the reduction of prostrate cancer risk.   As a Mormon premarital sex and maturbation is strictly prohibited… double whammy for those faithfull LDS men following the doctrines of thier church.  No wonder Utah has a much higher rate of prostate cancer. 

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Posted by coventryrm on Tuesday, May 10, 2011

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Book of Mormon Musical on NPR

Posted by coventryrm on Monday, May 9, 2011

first-listen-cast-recording-the-book-of-mormon

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Link to Easter Message

Posted by coventryrm on Sunday, April 24, 2011

 

Easter – A Pagan Festival

 

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Agnostic Plan of Salvation

Posted by skiutah on Monday, April 18, 2011

Sane Soteriology

Why do people believe in the following plan:
1. God procreates, intentionally creates billions and billions of mistake makers.
2. God makes a rule stating the billions of mistake makers cannot be accountable for their mistakes.
3. God then makes a rule that none of the billions can get back into heaven because they make mistakes.
4. Unless…. one of the offspring decides to get killed and accept responsibility for the mistakes of the billions and billions of mistake making offspring.
5. The mistake makers simply have to believe the guy that died (in Step 4) takes responsibility for the billions of mistake makers’ mistakes. Now the mistake makers can get into heaven.

That’s the best somebody (God) could do when in control of all the rules, variables, inputs, and outputs?

Some theories:
a) God is not very creative or smart.
b) Humans devised the 5 step plan.

Why do humans believe in the plan?
a) There is a natural tendency in humans to believe in a God.
b) Children will believe whatever their parents teach them; once the plan gets going, it will propagate itself (just like Islam, Superstition, Buddhism, Birtherism, Santa Claus, JWs, and any other religion).
c) The plan is appealing to humans who view themselves as flawed and/or have low self-esteem, no self-confidence, low intelligence, and no Internet access; this plan gets them back to heaven regardless of the imperfections, all they have to do is believe, it’s simple, it makes them feel good. This group will always make up the majority of the flock.
d) Smart humans realize that many humans will believe in this plan and therefore see it as a way to manipulate others, get rich, and retain positions of popularity and power. This aspect appeals to the ambitious, motiviated, aspiring, controlling, Machiavellian types. This guarantees leadership for the plan.
e) If a spouse believes in the plan, the partner will say they believe also (when they really don’t care at all), the goal is companionship and sex (oh God, oh God).
f) Humans don’t like to admit it when they’re wrong. Having bought into the plan, once a believer, it’s easier to keep believing rather than admit it’s not true (even when you don’t believe anymore, especially when family and friends still deeply believe).
g) Peer pressure and a sense of community. If you believe, you have more friends, contacts, status within the community, get better business deals, better marriage prospects, and so on. Who cares if the plan is true (that doesn’t matter at all), the benefits are good, so why not say you believe? This is perhaps the best reason to believe of all.

Some twists to the plan:
a) If you don’t believe in the plan, you will burn in hell for eternity.
b) Many/most groups state that their version of the plan is correct and all other versions are wrong, therefore if you believe in the wrong flavor of the plan, you will burn in hell for eternity.
c) If you buy into a particular version of the plan, God will bless you, if you believe in the wrong version of the plan, God will punish you, and you will burn in hell for eternity.
d) It’s okay to treat badly those that don’t believe in your version of the plan. After all, you are right, and the non-believer is wrong. Right is might.

End result:
* Small number of intelligent and controlling leaders in charge of large numbers of humans who are easily directed and fleeced.
* No inspiration, dull, cold, and dimwitted organizations that rely on the above mentioned levers to keep the flock following and the leaders secure in positions of authority and power.
* Places like Utah and Iran.

Again:
* Do the above caveats sound like a super intelligent being’s plan?
* Or something a human would devise?

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God’s Plan of Salvation

Posted by skiutah on Thursday, December 30, 2010

Brilliant!

God's most efficient plan of salvation.

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Posted by coventryrm on Wednesday, December 22, 2010

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