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Mormon “Intellectual” claims Environmentalists, Disney and Pixar are tools of Satan

Posted by coventryrm on Wednesday, July 16, 2008

In one of my first posts I stated that I felt that religion holds us back as a society and one example I gave was “global warming” now called “climate change” My point being how can a belief in Armageddon and the second coming of Christ and the ultimate destruction of our Earth and mankind as we know it being some sort of fulfillment of Gods plan not affect your worldview. 

Well  folks I found a perfect example of what I was talking about this particular person wrote a movie review for Wall E.  I would suggest you actually read the article in question for yourself, however I would like to share with you some of my favorite examples of some really wacky thinking. 

“I believe WALL-E is another card in the deck of fear-mongering tactics employed by our common Enemy to get power, money, control, oppress mankind with false “prophets,” and reign with blood and horror prior to the return of the Savior.”

“Have the living prophets and apostles ever taught that we must “go green” or perish?  The Adversary’s environmentalism plan is plotted squarely against God’s plan of salvation.  Choose you this day whom you will serve (Josh. 24:15; cf. Alma 30:8; Moses 6:33).  The prophets have outlined our modern day title of liberty.

It is unfortunate that companies such as Disney and Pixar are beginning to propagate agendas of a maleficent nature, though for their sakes likely without knowing it, when they have promoted so much good in the past.  Here is yet another example of something good being pushed to an extreme.  The Adversary apparently finds it best to start them believing in such perversion while they’re still young. “

Here is the link you can check for yourself I am not making this up!

 http://www.millennialstar.org/2008/07/12/wall-e-the-religion-of-environmentalism/

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28 Responses to “Mormon “Intellectual” claims Environmentalists, Disney and Pixar are tools of Satan”

  1. coventryrm said

    I would suggest reading the comments as well, amazing truly amazing… people actually think this way here is one my favorites –

    “First, I believe that God is in control. All of these discussions about environmentalism and saving the planet seem to completely ignore Him who made the earth. Yes, we can damage it, but He is not impotent.

    Second, various people have begun attributing to a seemingly all-powerful entity (Climate Change, pollution, whatnot) what are properly the doings and power of God (weather, earthquakes, etc.). We “blame” such things on AGC rather than consider Him who has done these.

    This ignoring of God is a very serious matter. This is but one way to elevate humanity and obscure God.”

    “We must never forget why the earth was created to begin with: it was created for us, for humans, for the children of God.”

  2. SkiUtah said

    wow. Seems like that guy was also trying to equate abortion with environmentalism. So somehow the movie is teaching young kids that abortion is a good thing.

    At first glance, you’d think it was a joke, but evidentally the guy isn’t joking…

  3. coventryrm said

    Read the comments, in all fairness several LDS are on there telling the Author he is nuts, but at the same time read all the comments that agree with him and then quote scripture as support. WOW!

  4. patrick said

    Wall-E totally looks like the robot from “Short Circuit”… minus the cheesy 80’s style of course

  5. SkiUtah said

    yeah, there are some good quotes in that thread. I’ll have to snag some of those.

    I asked one of my daughters what she thought the point of WALL-E movie was and she said “don’t throw garbage on the streets.”

    So it’s interesting to see the different conclusions that people arrive at after seeing the movie.

  6. blazeheliski said

    Putting God above common sense and science is just as irresponsible as putting environmentalism (the new religion) above common sense and science. Humans polluting the planet so badly that nothing can live on it is an old story. It has been done in many books and movies. Like most of the fantasy world in Hollywood, it is quite the fantasy.
    Science shows us that the earth has experienced at least 5, and up to as many as 20 mass extinctions in the past (the last one being 65 million years ago). Where as many as 50%, and up to 95% of all life on earth was destroyed. This was all caused by nature – not humans. Each time life was nearly wiped off the planet – the Earth bounced back just fine. Life is very resilient. Even if we were to fire all the nukes in the world tomorrow – it would be just a little bang compared to the huge asteroids that have hit this planet in the past. We might kill ourselves – but “Mother Earth” would bounce back just fine. Having abortions for the specific motive of “saving the planet” is just as stupid as depending on “God’s will to save the planet.” Science does not support either. Current science does tell us that the only thing that will destroy the Earth is a planet killing asteroid, or our current sun turning into a red giant like most yellow suns do. As the sun grows, Mercury, Venus and Earth will be obliterated.

    Mass Extinctions

    The current environmental movement is more religion than science. Scientists are losing grant money, and being censored if they question the idea of “man made global warming.” The debate is over. Unless, you preach the gospel of Al Gore – you are a heretic. Linked below are 31,000 American scientists who have put their name to a petition that differs with the “gospel of modern day environmentalism.

    Scientists that say the debate is not over

    Censorship to protect the Enviro-religion

    I agree with the Mormon author about the current state of the environmental movement. It is hurting our country more than it is helping it. He gets it wrong when he talks about environmentalism is destructive when it is put above God. Current environmentalism is destructive when it is put above common sense and science.

  7. coventryrm said

    I agree common sense is the key, as your example of the 31,000 American scientist’s petition common sense at least has a chance of changing and altering the opinion and approach for those concerned with and trying to be conscientious in preserving our quality of life on this planet.

    Not sure you can use common sense and reason with a person that thinks Satan is trying to thwart Gods plan at the hands of Disney and Pixar.

  8. blazeheliski said

    He is just following the MO of many religious people. “Such and such a form of entertainment is the tool of Satan.” It has been a battle cry of religious people for centuries. It is an old and tired arguement. Most people today can see through it.

    What bothers me is turning a subject that used to based largely on science into a “religion.” The ideology behind the phrase – “I am going to have an abortion to save the planet” is only decades old. Because it is fairly new – it is “sucking people in” unwittingly. Common sense goes right out the window.

    The ideology behind the idea that – “Satan is trying to thwart Gods plan at the hands of Disney and Pixar” is centuries old and most people in most modern societies know how to deal with it. Common sense tends to rule the day.

  9. coventryrm said

    Blaze

    I have some questions; I am not as versed as you in regards to all science behind the climate change debate.

    “I agree with the Mormon author about the current state of the environmental movement. It is hurting our country more than it is helping it”

    My Questions:

    A: The Mormon Author was stating that it was hurting us because people were less apt to follow God’s command to breed and that is our grand purpose is this what you agreeing with?
    Also from what I could gather the abortion story was pulled from a tabloid as one from the UK noted on the thread
    “A friendly note from the UK: the Daily Mail is a national joke, well known for taking extreme examples (an environmentalist had an abortion) and whipping people up into frenzy (the environmentalists want abortions!).”
    I am little familiar with some of the papers in the UK and quoting this source wouldn’t be far off from quoting the national enquirer.
    B: My point is more about process and principle so I am willing to accept that through scientific evidence and so forth we discover that we were mistaken about certain environmental issues and our impact on the planet, but I disagree with dismissing it on the basis of what some 2000 year old myth has to say or to rely on the guidance of Old LDS men that claim to talk to God, having said that my question is this, how is the environmental movement actually hurting the country?
    I ask this sincerely, I understand that scientists losing grant money would be hurtful and from what I have heard so is increased ethanol production, outside of that I always figured even if it was all hype what could be harmful about individuals taking more notice to pollute less and minimize their impact on the environment and conserve resources. I even recycle now is that bad? But I still have 2 Boats a V8 SUV and a really big ass truck so I haven’t totally jumped on the hype :>

  10. coventryrm said

    “The ideology behind the idea that – “Satan is trying to thwart Gods plan at the hands of Disney and Pixar” is centuries old and most people in most modern societies know how to deal with it. Common sense tends to rule the day.”

    Then how come to get elected President in the US you have to claim to have a belief in God or you are dead in the water? How come the “God” issue has been so central to the Presidential debate and now even democrats have to play the God game as well? I am not so sure common sense is ruling the day. God seems to still play a pretty major role in the good ole USA a Christian Nation!

  11. coventryrm said

    Also I find it ridiculous to call it the new religion I don’t see it being deified, if anything it is simply creating a new market niche. That should be right up your alley certainly you shouldn’t have a problem with capitalism realizing that this “Go Green” can be great for creating new markets and revenue, Could it just simply be capitalism at work?

  12. coventryrm said

    http://www.sciencecases.org/petition/petition.asp

    Here is a link you might check out, however the point isn’t to argue global warming, the article was about “Enviromentalist being the tool of Satan” I think that is wacky and silly and it made for a good example of how religion has the potential of having a negative impact on humanity!

  13. blazeheliski said

    “A: The Mormon Author was stating that it was hurting us because people were less apt to follow God’s command to breed and that is our grand purpose is this what you agreeing with?”

    I do not agree with him on how it is hurting the country. He thinks it is thwarting God’s plans. I think that it is thwarting good science, fair markets, and common sense.

    Why did it become so popular to be against oil? The public bought the propaganda over the last couple of decades. Both Republican and Democratic administrations over the last few decades had plenty of chances to tap America’s vast oil resources and they all failed. They never delivered on the promises made back in the 70s to get America off foriegn oil because public sentiment towards drilling offshore, in Alaska, and on public lands was blocked at every turn. Don’t you think 4-5 dollar gas hurts America?

    We are very close to having other alternatives. Last year one of the first very viable and cool electric cars came on the market. This year Honda is releasing a finally viable version of a hydrogen fuel cell car in California. But they still need to be tested in fleets, and are still probably about 20 years before a large portion of the country will be able to buy them. If we start drilling for oil now – it will change the oil market and lower the price even though it would take at least 3 – 5 years before we even saw the oil from new drilling. We need to tap some of these last oil resources to help us through the transition to the newer technologies. It is a national security issue to keep the price of oil so high. It sends billions of dollars every year to some very hostile governments. It defies common sense.

  14. blazeheliski said

    “B: My point is more about process and principle so I am willing to accept that through scientific evidence and so forth we discover that we were mistaken about certain environmental issues and our impact on the planet, but I disagree with dismissing it on the basis of what some 2000 year old myth has to say or to rely on the guidance of Old LDS men that claim to talk to God, having said that my question is this, how is the environmental movement actually hurting the country?”

    You will notice that I qualified my statement by saying the “current” environmental movement. I think the “liberals” in the country over the last 30-40 years have done many great things for this country via the environmental movement. EPA data shows that our air and water have gotten cleaner and better each and every year since the 70s with the Clean Air Act and other water and land policies.

    Once again – it is common sense. Who doesn’t want clean air to breathe, clean water to drink and clean living spaces? The nice thing about this country, the people still have the power to make that happen and we are wealthy enough to make it happen. Humans have a huge effect on their local environments. Humans have very little impact on the global environment.

    The advertisements when I was a kid talked about not littering to have clean streets. That is common sense. Now all the advertisements talk about doing this to “save the planet” and doing that “to save the planet.” I hate to break it to ya – science shows us the planet does not need saving. The planet will be just fine with or without us. How arrogant is it to think humans have that kind of power.

    When the goal of the environmental movement was to clean up our air and our water. That made scientific and common sense. When the movement shifted to “saving the planet” – it became a religion. I don’t really care if people are having abortions to “save the planet,” or turning the AC off to “save the planet” – it is not based in science and common sense.

    The current obsession with the trace gas CO2 is almost comical( CO2 is 0.038% of our atmosphere). I could go on for pages talking about CO2. Suffice it to say – CO2 is not an issue – but if you attend the church of Al Gore – CO2 is the equivilant of a demon controlled by Satan (Humans – especially humans who don’t believe in the prophecy).

  15. blazeheliski said

    “Then how come to get elected President in the US you have to claim to have a belief in God or you are dead in the water? How come the “God” issue has been so central to the Presidential debate and now even democrats have to play the God game as well? I am not so sure common sense is ruling the day. God seems to still play a pretty major role in the good ole USA a Christian Nation!”

    Like it or not – you are in the minority. I believe 80-90% of Americans believe in some form of God. Politicians have always had to play the “God card.” Just because a majority of Americans believe in some form of God – doesn’t mean that they do not have some common sense. Most Americans would read what that Mormon author said and think he was an idiot. As with most things in America – Americans voted with their pocket books and they voted for the movie Wall-E. Most Americans did not see the “evil” messages the Mormon guy saw. They saw a movie they liked and they still believe in God. Go figure………..

  16. blazeheliski said

    “Also I find it ridiculous to call it the new religion I don’t see it being deified, if anything it is simply creating a new market niche. That should be right up your alley certainly you shouldn’t have a problem with capitalism realizing that this “Go Green” can be great for creating new markets and revenue, Could it just simply be capitalism at work?”

    Don’t tell me you are falling for the “green jobs hype?” Lets see if I remember how this is suppose to work. The government is goin to spend money and the economy will explode with green jobs? Yeah – government spending has always proven to grow economies /snicker.

    Modern day environmentalism not a religion? Just Google “religion of environmentalism” – thousands of articles displaying the “new” religion. Here is a good one……

    Environmentalism as Religion

  17. coventryrm said

    I agree with most of your points and think what you are saying makes perfect sense. So if we conclude that Environmentalism is a new Religion than, we are in agreement “Religion” tends to hold back and hurt society! I also agree most people even people of religious faith would read the WALL E review and think the guy is an idiot just read the threads, but also notice how many agree with him and even quote scripture to support their position. I saw the article and thought it would make a good post because it was so OUT there. Also look at how many people posted that blog is a very popular with the LDS and the Author is considered to be an Intellectual.

    When I talk about the Green market hype I am talking more about all the current ads using the buzz words to get business, I am feeling I need to incorporate it somehow as well as people are more likely to buy from someone that says they are “green” and yes there are products being developed to take advantage of this concept.

    As far as “Save the Planet” That seems more 80’s to me, I think now they are more talking about slowing down the next mass extinction. The Planet will just rid itself of us if we become to offensive to it. That could just be me, I don’t recall hearing “Save the Planet” lately more keep it livable?

  18. coventryrm said

    I also have to wonder if you have jumped on the other extreme of the bandwagon I think there are some things that will help and others we are not sure of. You presented the link regarding 31,000 scientists signing a petition to oppose the Kyoto Treaty as proof of your position , however it does seem perhaps this petition is also a fight fire with fire approach and that it is more about being right throwing in some unproven and questionable data justified because the other side of the argument does the same, so you have a group of scientists that are in the humans are evil camp and hurting the planet and then the other camp saying actually all our coal burning and use of fossil fuels is actually good for the planet. It seems there are two opposing groups of scientist that are more concerned with being “Right” than with the actual facts or truth and unfortunately these types tend to be the most vocal and that is just BAD science regardless of what camp you are sitting in, I think it best to not sit in any camp and be open to what the information tells us and like you said use common sense and rational thinking. Be willing to admit when we are wrong in our opinions and change the course of action I would hope there are more experts and scientists in that category; the problem is you then have to make politicians understand and act on that information. Religious myth just makes it that much more convoluted and has no place in the debate period.

  19. blazeheliski said

    I am not really in any particular camp. In this country – we have learned how to burn gasoline and coal cleanly. Lets use it if we have got it. Eventually we are going to run out, and we need other alternatives coming online now. I just don’t like some of the current evironmental attitudes creating the current inflated market for gas and coal. It is hurting people unnecessarily. My car is almost in need of being replaced. I am seriously considering buying an electric from this company – Teslamotors I would not be buying it to “save the planet.” I would be buying it to save some money myself and help support a technology that would eventually leave some evil little dictators in bad shape if the price of oil drops like a rock.

    I don’t think burning oil and coal helps the planet in and of itself, but it keeps the mighty American economy going. 55% of all the patents in the world come from America and Japan. The 2 largest economies in the world. The only hope for humanity to survive is to develop the technology to leave this solar system. This planet will be destroyed some day by either our sun, or an asteroid, or something else we don’t know about yet. You need large economies to develop the large technology that would be needed to leave the solar system. Reverting back to an agrarian economy as many hard core enviro-religious people would like is not in our best interest.

    I am all for the continued study of global warming, our atmosphere, everything about our world. I just get annoyed with the media black-out on stuff that doesn’t fit the Al Gore global warming model. Let me ask you a question. Do remember hearing about how almost all the Artic ice melted last summer? How it was the first time in a long time the Northwest passage was open? It was trotted out by all the media as another sign of the impending doom of global warming. How many stories do you remember hearing about how after last winter there was a record freeze? Ice now covers more of the Artic than it has in decades. How did all that ice melt last summer if the planet has been cooling since 1998 (confirmed by satellites). The oceans have been cooling for the last decade as confirmed by the 3000 Argos buoys floating the oceans.

    Scientists have actually been trying to figure it out, and they may have stumbled upon something last month. They have discovered a volcanic mountain range on the Atlantic side of the Artic ocean that has been spewing lava and CO2. We are talking multiple volcanoes in a mountian range the size of the Rockies on the floor of the ocean that has actually warmed the water enough to melt the ice that covers the Artic. It is estimated to have spewed more CO2 than several centuries worth of human activity. Do you remember hearing about that on CNN? No- because that would mean that maybe the “human caused global warming model” is flawed.

    Artic underwater erruptions

  20. Yep, I wasn’t joking when I wrote the WALL-E post. I do believe the modern environmentalism movement is in opposition to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

  21. coventryrm said

    I know, and that is what makes it sooooo comical!! I think Blaze gives much more viable arguments in opposition rather it is the “boogey man”

  22. blazeheliski said

    “Yep, I wasn’t joking when I wrote the WALL-E post. I do believe the modern environmentalism movement is in opposition to the gospel of Jesus Christ.”

    You worship at the altar of Mormonism. As I mentioned above, I believe the current hardcore global warming crowd is more a religion than a science. Therefore, you would see the religion of “Al Gore” in opposition to your religion of Mormonism. I worship at the altar of science and common sense – thus I see the the religious aspect of man made global warming a threat to my religion. Most people will protect the altar at which they worship.

  23. coventryrm said

    Blaze

    I still have a problem with labeling the “Al Gore” global warming movement a religion in the strict sense, I don’t see any deification or claims of the supernatural, regardless of whether people in opposition have decided to label it a Religion or not that doesn’t actually make it one, the term is being used a bit loosely as the debate is still centered around bringing evidence to the table by either side, that can be evaluated and disputed, misinterpreted or not agreed upon, neither side is making statements void of data or evidence that cannot be tested or is of a supernatural nature. I think the comparison is more rhetorical than actual. I think you do yourself and science great disservice to put it on the same level as religious worship.

  24. blazeheliski said

    “(global warming) myths have survived because smart people are very good at rationalizing things that they came to believe for non smart reasons”

    That is the quote from the top of your page. How is it different if you interchange the word “God” for “global warming?” Building a whole culture around myths is one of your problems with religion correct?

    Lets look at the work Al Gore used to win the peace prize and an Oscar – “An Inconvenient Truth.” Gore has been giving the same power point presentation for at least 8 years even though science has learned much more about our Earth since he began his crusade. Here is a little article showing at least 35 “flaws” or global warming “myths” Al Gore is preaching.
    35 Myths
    Spreading myths and getting people to follow you, and believe you – isn’t that what religion does?

    Earlier this year Gore spoke to a large group of Baptists with a green Bible in one hand and a laser pointer in the other hand. He gave the same speech he has been giving for years on global warming. Here is a little quote from the speech – “The purpose of life is to glorify God,” he said. “And if we continue to heap contempt on God’s creation, that is inconsistent with glorifying God.” That sounds pretty scientific. 😉 Here are the links of the speech where Gore was called a “Prophet.”
    Prophet Gore
    Global Warming call to Christ

    Now you would think that the common sense way to approach science would be to let the science speak for itself. When Einstein came up with E=MC2, he wrote a paper and let the science and critics speak for itself. He didn’t have to go on a worldwide “dog and pony show.” He did not recruit volunteers to “spread the message.”

    Al Gore’s “science” or message does not speak for itself. So he has trained 1,000 “climate project” volunteers to spread the gospel. These are unpaid volunteers who are trained to show Al Gore’s power point presentation, and answer questions around the world. Hmmmm – almost sounds kind of like Mormon missionaries volunteering to spread the word? How many other scientific ideas or scientific organizations hire unpaid volunteers to spew the same message over and over again? Don’t most good scienitific ideas speak for themselves?
    Al Gore’s Missionaries

  25. coventryrm said

    My main point was not to defend Al Gore, it was to point out that you were putting research and science on the same level as Mormonism and Goreism by giving the analogy

    “I worship at the altar of science and common sense – thus I see the religious aspect of man made global warming a threat to my religion. Most people will protect the altar at which they worship.”

    If you want to call it all religion be my guest, I just don’t think it helps your much stronger and more founded position in the debate however. Why compare your belief in science and fact to a belief in a myth, we should leave that up to those that believe in Myths. 🙂

    Also Myth doesn’t always = Religion, perhaps unfounded fanaticism would be a more apt description.

  26. coventryrm said

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY – BLAZE!

  27. blazeheliski said

    Thx Coven – for a second there I thought you were going to wish me a happy Pioneer Day. 😉

  28. coventryrm said

    I almost did actually

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